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. i'm chris wallace. the massacre at a paris newspaper by islamic jihadists opens a new front on the war on terror, and we'll have an exclusive interview with the general chiefs of staff general martin dempsey. how frustrating to you as the chairman of the joint chiefs when you're fighting in such an asymmetric way. what do we know about the suspects? the strategy to hit the west? and whether they were collected by al qaeda or isis? general dempsey only on "fox
news sunday." plus is the obama administration doing enough to prevent attacks like this? our sunday group weighs in. then a showdown between the white house and congress over the keystone pipeline. >> i can firm for you if this bill passes this congress, the president wouldn't sign it either. >> and threatening to veto a jobs and new pipeline is anything but productive. we'll discuss the president's veto threat with two leading senators republican john hovaneven and chris coons, all on "fox news sunday." paris remains on high alert after three days of attacks we'll have an exclusive interview with the joint chiefs of staff in a moment. we begin with fox team
scorchage. but first we're in paris with the latest from there. greg? >> chris, there is a massive march of unity against terror here today as a terrible and deadly week. hundreds of thousands taking to the streets close to 50 world leaders and officials present, including u.s. attorney general eric holder. here also for a summit on terrorism. there's also a massive security presence here, too, over 5,000 troops and police on patrol amid reports of threats of more attacks as police continue their probe into the terrible incident of this week which left 17 people dead, including three suspected terrorists. they have let some of the suspects go but the hunt is on for the prime suspect in this case, boumeddiene. she's believed she could have been in the accomplice of a
shooting of a police, and the shooting at the kosher deli. she's feared she might have been out of country when all of that happened. police are now confirming that coulibaly could be tied to another shooting on the very same day as the slaughter around the newspaper. kouachi claims aliegial for coluibaly. the minister sets it's a war against everything that is aimed at breaking fraternity, freedom and solidarity. that is a message that is resonating here today. chris? >> greg, thanks for that. in a sense, france was held hostage for 54 hours this week
which only raises new questions about how safe the u.s. homeland is. let's bring in chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge. >> a new video shows the suspect pledges his allegiance for the islamic state. it includes clibs of coulibaly discussing the massacre. and it is revealed that the fbi is reviewing another tape. the credibility of the threat is being assessed by u.s. law enforcement. republican chairman of the house homeland security committee that's running its own investigation, says this is a departure from recent plots in canada, australia and the u.s. >> this is not someone who gel is radicalized over the
internet, which is a serious issue, but now we're seeing these foreign fighters who we've been so concerned about, this would appear to be a very concerted sophisticated attack. the former head of the defense intelligence agency michael flynn says the paris terrorists are a part of a larger network and he believes the men were hand-selected for the attack. the white house announced a summit in february cve, the administration's label for radial islamic terrorism, chris. >> thank you. now to our exclusive interview with martin dempsey. i met with this country's top military officer with the pentagon on friday. we talked while the two hostage standoffs were still going on. we discussed that and the range of other national security challenges he faces. >> general dempsey, welcome to "fox news sunday." >> good to see you again chris.
>> let's start with the terrible attack on the newspaper in paris. how much training did the two brothers get in the middle east, terror training and was this attack directed by either al qaeda or isis? >> they were inspired in insome sway. they were not not self-radical iced, which is sometimes the way these attacks occur. there is an indication that one did in fact receive training in yemen. >> there's a linkage between them whether it's school or family relationships. as far as whether it was directed by al qaeda i don't think that linkage has been established. >> what can you in the military do to prevent attacks like this here in the u.s.? do we need to step up our efforts against aqap or isis? and does this contradict
president obama's contention that we have al qaeda on the run? >> fundamentally our capabilities are designed so that the country can play an away game against its adversaries. what we try to do across, you know this swath of radical extremism that stretching really from the fatah and i suppose we may say all the way over to nigeria, we try to keep pressure on that network with the suite of capability that is we have, whether it's intelligence building partners in some cases direct action. >> do we need to do more? >> absolutely. but that's not to imply we're not doing enough. if you understand the distinction there. we're doing a lot. the organization isil are inexpiring other groups to rebrand themselves, about you in rebranding themselves they rebrand into a more radical ideology. that's what makes it dangerous.
>> this would seem to me to be the definition of asymmetric war fare. you are the commander the greatest military in the world, yet you can have a handful of gunmen who can terrorize and lock down a great city like paris and a great city like france. how frustrating for you as the general of the join chiefs that you're fighting in that way. >> it's a group that lacks advantages of those who they are attacking. as you say we are the most powerful military, and as a result, we tend to be a target for groups. i wouldn't say it's just asymmetric. this is some combination of using symmetric capabilities whether it's in the media space, cyber cyber or in some cases conventional. >> how are re doing in the war
against isis from pushing back from the territory they took over the last year and in destroying it? >> one of the things i said right from the start is that a group that embraces such a radical ideology has to maintain momentum in order to succeed, in order to maintain its credibility with the very people it's trying to influence. so tactically we have destroyed a lot of their equipment, we've reversed some of their territoryial gains we've had an impact on their leadership, their command and control and logistics. what will eventually cause the defeat of isil is that it will collapse under its own contradictions frankly when the populations in which it trying to maneuver realize that ideology is not to their future benefit. but i will tell you, we have nine lines of ever, counter-financing, counter-foreign fighter, counter-messaging, reconstruction, three military lines of effort that tend to get all of the attention, but i will
say the other lines of effort may be more important than the military lines. while president obama has drawn a pretty firm line so u.s. combat boots on the ground in iraq you have refused to take that off the table. the iraqi army talks about taking back mosul, the said biggest city in the country, over the next few months. can they possibly do that without u.s. combat troops alongside them? >> here's the reality of the campaign in rake. it's the iraqi strategy enabled by us. that's an extraordinarily important distinction. we think that will be month, i don't know whether several months or not. i think several if you're implying three or four, might be -- it may take a by longer than that to marshal all these resources. >> will we need troops? >> joe the answer to that and i've said that. if we get to the point where i think, because of the complexity of the objective, that precision
fires would only be possible with the presence of a jtac or forward observer i'll make that recommendation, but we're months away from that. let's turn to syria. you say we can't defeat isis just with air strikes, but with the syrian moderate rebels suffering such serious losses especially in recent weeks, is there going to be any moderate syrian opposition to train, to confront isis on the ground? >> that's a fair question and one we grapple with. the syrian option is under enormous pressure particularly in the north. that's where i have my greatest concern about the ability to attract and recruit and vet moderate opposition. >> militarily at some point don't you have to confront assad and his attacks on the moderate rebels or else you won't have a force to oppose isis? >> militarily, my job is to
provide the president and our elected leaders, the option to confront assad, and that decision has not been taken. >> but we could doing it if you were given the order? >> of course we could. >> we just ended our combat role in afghanistan. on christmas dade the president addressed trools in hawaii. he told them this. >> afghanistan has a chance to rebilled its own country. we are safer. it won't be a source of attacks against. >> how can the president saying that so flatly again? >> you would have to ask the president how he can say that, but if you're asking me -- >> would you say that? >> let me give you my impression of where we are in afghanistan. we've got a very credible and cooperative partner in the new president and the new chief executive officer. we've got afghan security forces who have demonstrated their willingness to stand and fight. i personally think there will be pockets inside of afghanistan
that change hands from time to time, because that's the history of the country, but i think we're in a very good place in afghanistan in terms of giving them a chance to do exactly what the president said. but we're going to have to keep an eye on it. >> you certainly couldn't say the threat of terrorism from afghanistan -- >> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staffs tends to be rather cautious and careful, and he also tends to be a little paranoid. you know, terrorism can ebb and flow, it may not be there now and it could be there tomorrow. when i said earlier we've got to keep an eye on this, we've got to keep an eye on this, and we've got to recognize that terrorism flowing super instability lurks. the military times asked active-duty service members last month how they thought the commander in chief was doing his job. 55% say they did not approve of president obama's performance as commander in chief. only 15% said yes, which was the lowest number of his presidency. why do in your opinion, so many
service members have doubts about this president? >> what i tell the troops when i travel around is the commander in chief supports their efforts, and that i can tell them with great confidence that he takes -- you know, this is this issue of whether or not i'm being micromanaged right? >> it's not just the troops on the ground. you have the two last secretaries of defense panetta and gates both wrote searing books in which they criticized the white house for micromanaging jumping the chain of command, and for some times emphasizing politics over policy. are they right? >> mean, am i being micromanaged? is that the question? >> that's one of the questions. >> if you asked me if i'm being micromanaged, i don't know, i better go ask the white house before i answer the question. [ laughter ] >> it's the wrong metric. what i can tell you is the metric we should be focused on
is access and whether my advice influences decision. i have frequent access to the commander in chief. i feel no constraints in providing my advice to him, and that my advice over the past 3 1/2 years has influenced his decisions. you know whether someone wants to characterize the desire the almost insabreshbre sabre abdesire they can can have at it but to me it's access and advice. he -- under white house pressure to release prisoners from gan tan more. you have to sign off on every prisoner who is released. given that some of the prisoners who are left are some of the worst of it is worst, the most dangerous, and given that, according to various estimates, the recidivism rates, those that
are return total battlefield is up around 30%. do you worry that this white house is in too much of a hurry to close gitmo? >> i've been in the group that believes it's in our national interests, quote, to close guantanamo. it does create a psychological scar on our national values. whether it should or not it does. what i have also said quite clearly is there are some of these detines, in particular this kind of contract over a protracted period that simply should not be released. we're going to come to a point where we've got dozens of thinks individuals who have to be detained and we have to figure that out. >> but you would not release them? >> no, of course not. >> if you can't release them and the u.s. congress says you can't bring them to this country -- >> isn't that a fair question for our elected leaders? >> well, doesn't that mean you have to keep gitmo open? >> well that's a policy decision, but there will be dozens of these individuals that have to be detained.
our elected officials need to find a way to detain them. iran you say that a diplomatic solution is preferable but if the talks were to fall apart, can we contain a nuclear iran, or would we have to launch a military strike? and if so, could we take out the nuclear program in iran momentarily? >> if the diplomacy fails and they moved to acquire a nuclear weapon. we have been clear that that's an unacceptable risk to not only our own country but the region, but we have mel tear capabilities in place and we keep them in readiness, if asked to limb -- eliminate delays is the right phrase. >> what have you learned about cyberthreats from the north korea hacking of sony pictures? how vulnerable are we to a cyber-pearl harbor? >> cyber can be disruptive, it can disrupt and it can destroy
and it can destroy hardware, it can debility critical infrastructure which could lead to loss of life, and i think those capabilities are out there. you know we have in every domain, chris we generally enjoy a significant military advantage, but we have peer competitors in cyber. >> in other words, we don't have an advantage over that? >> we don't have an advantage. it's a level playing field. that makes this chairman very uncan comfortable. what do you think of have laid mer putin? >> i actually try not to render my opinion about heads of state. can i speak to you about russia? i think russia is on a very provocative and dangerous path. i called my counterpart in russia, and i said to him she is nay is valeri and i said, you know we began our careers
facing off across the intra-german border. i said, you know don't tell me we're going to do this again. understand sequestration you are set to force other cuts. the active army is now down to 510,000 and you'll be do you want to 490,000 by september. general, is there at some point at which your resources could be cut so much, you would have to say we could no longer defend this country from the threats we face. >> absolutely and i think it's call sequestration. it could actually go lower, the budget control act and the sequestration mechanism is imposed on us in 2016. yes, we will have to change our strategy, but far less able to do the things we think the country needs us to do. finally, when you survey the horizon, whether it's the threat from isis and al qaeda, other
affiliated groups, russia on the march, iran, china, north korea, how dangerous is this world? and how much do you worry about your subject the military's ability to defend our country? >> so you've kind of laid out the house of horrors. in so doing you've laid out the fact there are state actors that could coerce us or constrain us and there are nonstate actors. we've had to adapt or military to address both of those chalenings. you ask, you know am i concerned about it? of course i'm concerned about it. but i also wand to remind everyone we are still the most powerful nation in the world by any measuring likely to remain so unless we talk ourselves out of it and constrain ourselves
out of it. we've been through difficult periods before. what will get us through this is investing in our human capital. we'll have to think our way through the future not bludgeon our way through it. >> general dempsey, first of all thank you so much. and through you to all of the members of the military, thank you for your service. >> thank you sir. good to see you. you can see more of the interview on our home page, is it "fox news sunday."com. he discussing bowe bergdahl and pulling troops from afghanistan. up next, the new front on the war on terror plus what would you like to ask the panel? go to facebook or twitter twitter @foxnewssunday. we may use your question on the air. brought to you by charles schwab, home of your tomorrow. daughter: do you and mom still have money with that broker? dad: yeah, 20 something years now. thinking about what you want to do with your money? daughter: looking at options.
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rove, and juanwomen. george, sit back for a moment. what strikes you this week about the trained terror cells in the heart of western capitals and their ability to paralyze a great city like paris. >> what happened at the magazine was terrible and terrifying. it wasn't terrorism as we normal understood it. this was not random. this was an assassination operation. they knew where they were going knew who they would be there -- >> let me interrupt for a moment. a live picture from paris, auld world leaders on the streets in paris part of this mass demonstration, more than a million people ranging from president hollande, chance her merkel, netanyahu all bearing witness to the terrorist events. >> a modern city, modern sewed
depends on flow cooperation and trust. we've all seen how a two-car accident can close a four-lane superhighway. that's the nature of modern society. that's where random violence comes in, because it destroys the sinews that destroy -- and that's the level plays field. they're just as capable as we are. we saw what a few clicks of a rogue traitor's did. we now know what flights of bombers achieved can be achieved by cyberattacks. >> i think it's fair to say that president obama has always been am bivalent about the war on terror. on the one hand he's launched more air strikes, he took down osama bin laden, but he resists call it a war on terror.
he resists call out islamic jihadists. i have to go back to may of 2013 when he made a big steven and talked about taking the country off a potential wartime footing. >> the afghan war is coming to an end. al qaeda is a shell of its former self. groups lie aqap must be dealt with, but in the years to comes, now every collection of thugs that labels themselves al qaeda will pose a credible threat to the united states. >> is there any sense that the president was premature? >> i think there certainly with us a political incentive to emphasize things. where never the president would say things like that behind the scenes adviserso say we are concerned about aqap, or some of these other groups. it's striking that hear that clip.
we are in such a different climate than we were at that point. that was at a time when most americans had not heard about the islamic state group or maybe we heard about aqap, but it was not at the forefront of people's mind. again, some of this driven by politics to get the united states out of the middle east get us out of afghanistan, and largely put the war on terror to rest. obviously he hasn't been able to do that. i think you're going to see the white house having to contend with this for the next two years of his presidency. >> karl, this happened in paris. it didn't happen here. why are critics of the president, like you, going after the way that he is conducting the war on terror. >> you heard general dempsey talk about what his strategy has been for the last 15 years which is to fight them over there, so they have less opportunity to fight them here. >> the away games. >> exactly. the president's early withdrawal from iraq, leaving behind no
residual significant force allowed isil, isis to spread dramatically. we may face the same situation in afghanistan. we're keeping behind a residdium force. the new afghan government desperately wants us to did you we're diminishing that presence to one air base. we're not ability to project our power throughout the country on a rapid notice. we had used to have three major facilities and a number of ancillary facilities, but we'll be down to one. one of the greatest recruiting tools that isis had was the rapid spread because of the vacuum that the united states contributed to in iraq. we need to recognize that you're presence there is necessary in order to keep fighting them there. diminish their ability to fighters here. when i talk to dempsey, he talked about nine lines of effort. the military aspects, but so are the nonmilitary aspects.
one was messaging and social media. the egyptian president gave a remarkable speech this week i think under cover where he called on muslim clerics to lead a revolution. and we got this on facebook who writes -- how do we combat islamic fundamentalist terrorists without replacing that belief sim and without islamic clerics leading the way? juan, how do you answer that? >> i think walt is right, and i think al sissi needs to be shall celebrated worldwide. his message needs to be amplified. >> it has to be islam -- >> you've got to have leaders in the muslim world and you're talking here about the leaders of state, who have been re reluctant to get involved in this fight but also i think the clerics at the very basic level
speaking to young people. look who did the boston bombing, the brothers here who did this here, i believe muslim field what cha charlie hebdo was doing was pushing an antiimmigrant and anti-muslim push, and what you get is the clerics they can't even control what's coming across. you are talking with the general about the internet, the kind of recruiting efforts to make they alienated young people feel they are somehow empowered by the use the violence. i believe these are bullies, thugs they use the religion to justify these acts of violence. that has got to be stopped and it's got to be stopped by other moderate muslims who say that something like this cartoonist in seattle who has been in hiding because of the a threat against her life for drawing a
caricature of muhammad that that is not allowed by the clerics, not supported and not the acts of a good muslim. >> as head of the egyptian state al cysti occupies the office once occupied by anwar sadat who was murdered by islamic extremists for hi opening to israel. if the nobel peace prize committee is looking for someone who plausibly deserves it they could start there. >> it would be interesting to see whether the rest of the world embraces this idea of calling out islam and saying if anybody is going to stand up it's got to be you guys. we'll take a break but we'll see later in the program up next, the showdown over keystone as republicans push a bill through congress approving a pipeline, the president speak sticks to his veto threat. we'll ask what happens now.
president obama is under new pressure to finally decide the fate of the keystone pipeline. the senate is set to consider the bill tomorrow. and perhaps mr. obama's biggest reason to delay a decision just disappeared, but the president is sticking to his veto threat. we brought in two key senators. from north dakota, republican john hoeven, and from delaware.
democrat chris coons. last month the president said there was one big issue delays a decision on keystone. here it is. >> you've been a nebraska judge that's still determining whether or not the new path for this pipeline is appropriate. once that is resolved, then the state department will have all the information it needs to make its decision. >> now, on friday the nebraska supreme court threw out that challenge to the pop line, but senator coons the white house still says that the president is going to veto a bill once it gets through congress as expected, and he'll send it back to the state department for more months of review. this process has been going on for six years sir. >> the process has taken a while. it was put on hold while nebraska citizens were asserting their rights in a nebraska court, but two things happened. first the nebraska court came to a final decision but second the
house took up and passed the keystone pipeline bill that would take consideration out of the hands of the administration. i think we should notice there were enough votes voting against that in the house it's clear there will not be a veto override. my lope as it comes to the senate, we will take it up. we will no override the president's coming veto, and we will move past this issue and towards a redebate about what americans want. an energy policy that inclusion jobs energy independence, and that doesn't hurt our environment. we can and should be able to get to that discussion. >> senator hoeven, why do you think the president keeps dragging this out, as i say, six years and more review at the state department. to get directly to the point that senator coons brought up you will pass it send it to the president. are you going to have the 67 votes in the senate to override the president's veto? >> first as to what the president is doing, actions
speak lower than words. he's delayed this project. americans world world war ii in less than six years. he's trying to defeat the project with endless delays, which is why it's important that congress acts. as far as overriding a veto we go back to the merits it's about energy, about jobs economic growth, increasing gdp 3.4 billion and it's about national security by achieving energy security. look, you have an overwhelming majority of the public that wants this done. the latest fox poll on this issue, 68% of americans want the keystone pipeline built. every state on the route seven states have approved it. the only thing holding it up is president obama. >> let me ask a direct question, because we have a lot to cover here, do you at this moment have the 67 votes to override it? >> right now we have 63 but we're going to the floor with an
open process trying to foster more bipartisan ship, getting the senate to work the way it's supposed to work, either -- >> senator coons in 2013, you voted for an amendment approving the pipeline. now obviously you're against it. has this become more about politics than it has the merits of the project? >> to be clear on an up or down vote taking approval out of the current administration process, i voted no. you're referring to a budget process that actually wasn't directly on approve the pipeline, but the largest points. >> le me just ask that question, it was actually the hoeven amendment. was that approving the pipeline? >> that was to move forward and approve the pipeline. and again we have a bipartisan majority in the congress, so i'm hopeful that we can have an open amendment process and convince people to look to the merits,
get things done after more than sticks years. >> all right. the issues on keystone have been debated for years and just after the midterm elections, president obama did a pretty good job of laying out the issues. here they are. pinches is this going to be good for the american people good for their pocketbook? is it going to actually create jobs? is it going to reduce gas prices that have been coming down? and is it going to be on net something that didn't increase climate change that we're going to have to grapple with. >> senator coons, he laid it out pretty well. what does keystone mean? >> it means unlocking the canadian tar sands some of the dirtiest sources on the planet and allows those tar sands to reach the international economy and our environment. >> i'm going to stop you there. we'll get to each sequentially. your quick response to that? >> we import oil from venezuela that has as high or higher
greenhouse gas emissions s oil is -- why is it lower at the pump? we're producing more energy not because opec gave us a christmas president. >> senator, let me ask you another question. canadian crude is already being shipped in this country by rail or by truck. doesn't that have even a larger carbon footprint? >> folks in my state and across our condition are concerned about the safety implications of so many rail cars and of building new pipelines and they should be concerned about the public safety and the emission implications, but frankly senator hoeven keeps talking about what 70% of americans want. 70% of americans in a recent national poll also said they want a carbon tax or they want. epa to regulate carbon dioxide. the majority of americans want clean job improving our is it
climate -- >> let me interrupt you there. one of the big issues is jobs. talk is it's only temporary jobs and a lot of those are the coffee shop for the person who's working on the pipeline goes to. how many jobs would this really create? >> the environmental impact statement prepared says 42,000 jobs are supported by this project. $3.4 billion gdp increase, $8 billion project, and tell the families that would be getting those paychecks that those aren't good jobs. >> construction jobs are good jobs and i do want to see us move forward in infrastructure and energy innovation, but we can do it with a clean energy future. there's 50,000 people whose jobs right now in construction and manufacturing in the wind industry are hanging on whether congress in a bipartisan way can extend the wind tax credit. there's 400,000 jobs in biofuels. kell with make many more good
construction and manufacturing jobs with an all of the above strategy. >> i have to get this in. to have the energy plan, energy security for this country we need the infrastructure to go with it and the environmental impact statement done by the obama administration says no significant environmental impact. i've got to get that in this there. >> they reached that conclusion assuming $100 a barrel oil. it's not dropped back to its average of $50 a barrel. >> very quickly, in about 30 seconds, what about that, the fact that oil prices are dropping. does that mean we don't need the pipeline? >> if we want to grow or industry and continue to work with canada we've got to be competitive. we need the infrastructure. we've got to build that business climate to produce more energy here at home. >> all right. >> the business climb, i have to worry about the environmental climate as well. >> in the few seconds we have left, senator coons, you were
sworn in for a term and congratulations, this week and you can see there in this video went viral of joe biden whispering in your daughter maggie's ear and giving her a kiss. a lot of people felt she looked uncomfortable. what was he saying? and does she think the vice president is creepy? >> no chris, she doesn't think the vice president is creepy. she's known my kids their whole lives. he was leaning forward and whispering some encouragement to her about how when he sways worn in and his own daughter was 13 she was uncomfortable and he was encouraging her. he was being joe, being thoughtful and sweet. >> i think she's presently surprised that more people have later of her than of me. >> let me give a quick shoutout to the north dakota football
team, four-time national champions, go bisons. >> there you go. and football is a big part of this weekend. thank you both. thanks for coming in today. we were happy to talk about sports, videos, and especially to talk about the pipeline. up next, a bumpy week for bipartisanship as the new congress gets to work. will the third time be a charge? we'll ask our sunday group. how can power consumption in china impact wool exports from new zealand, textile production in spain, and the use of medical technology in the u.s.? at t. rowe price we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. it's just one reason over 70% of our mutual funds beat their 10-year lipper average. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing.
to redefine the 40-hour, a full workweek, and obamacare, and also to delay some financial regulations. knit concern at the white house that the republicans -- will be able to portray the president as the obstructionist? >> you saw the white house also send the president around the country last week talking about free community college talking about dropping a mortgage premium rate. they were trying to offset the vetoes with more proactive policy proposals from the president. with all the talk we've had about potential areas of cooperation, i think the dynamic that we saw last week is going to be basically how this is going to play out. you'll have the republicans putting forth legislation, the white house threatening to veto. the question will be whether there will be the opening salvo and we get negotiations, or whether both sides will basically stick to their positions. george what do you maybe of
this first week of the new balance of power? how about the republicans do and how did the president do? >> the republicans were quite right to emphasize keystone. first it shows that the president's mask is just that that this is an ideological position he's had all along. second. the president says i just want to spend on infrastructure. this is the infrastructure. the president says it won't create permanent jobs. outside of government which is all he knows there no such things as a permanent job. ask the people that worked at blockbuster i get it. senator coons, like the president, says if we don't build it, the canadians will leave it in the grounds. at the interthe world mark somehow and fuel cars around the
world, period. >> juan, i want to get back to julie's point. to all the talk before congress and the president went back to work, all the take about bipartisanship, big compromises there surety was no sense that anything big was going to get done. >> i don't think there's any reason anything big will get down, for all the talk. there's a historical basis that when you have one party in control at capitol hill and the other party in the white house historically there has been an increase in legislative activity, but we live in an age of such stark polarization, i don't think you have seen the basic elements change with the republicans taking control. this week the whole controversy we're talking here is a prime camp. i think you have a gop base now sensing that we have control of the congress, we want to see them act in greater defiance of this president that we don't
like. not only on the xl pipeline, but on immigration and on obamacare they said this congress, even if there's a veto that will wipe it out, so simply do symbolic action that demonstrate their continued action. >> i've got to switch subjects on you. there was also some interesting political news this week with mitt romney on friday talking to donors, and making clear, asking them to spread the word that he is seriously considering another run for president. did jeb bush's aggressive moves forming pacs, and putting out all his e-mails and now he'll'll release a decade of tax returns, did that force romney's hand? if that ends up as a battle for the endorsement of the establishment, and let's say it's between romney, job bush and chris christie, who wins?
>> i'm not certain one event prompted this. you've had several ehaven't. i had chris crist yegg masse moves, rand paul, scott walker, and all of that combined may have caused governor romney to say i'm interested again. it's mystifying in this respect. if he believes that friday, we better see in the next couple weeks, some significant steps towards making a run. otherwise people will say he wasn't really serious about it. >> what will that be? >> filing some kind of committee that allows him to move around the country. jeb bush did it in essence by saying i'm going to let you read 250,000 e-mails. that signified interest. so there will have to be steps saying this was a serious comment, not merely a conversation with 30 people in new york city. you talk about all these other candidates and maybe i'm
wrong, correct me if i am on that a lot of people, i think the conventional wisdom is jeb bush and mitt romney would be going for the same part. one, is that true? and if so who las the advantage? >> they would broadly be the sort of the conservative -- moderate conservative center right voters but look, a different money basis, one from new england one from florida, you know, they would share a lot of people, but most people who run for president share a lot of people when they run. >> c'mon karl. >> you're saying -- chris asked you a real question. split the establishment -- >> as opposed to most of my questions. >> they're going to reply the republican money and that opens the door to ted cruz. >> first of all, both these guys are capable of raising money, regardless of if the other is in the race.
this will be an unusual race from this perspective. nothing is preordained. the front-runner was jeb bush with 23% which was when romney was not considered a candidate. let's way for the next time there's a poll. >> quickly george, yew thoughts about mitt versus jeb. >> if the country is suffering dynasty fatigue, this will certainly test that. it seems to me the country hankers for some, as to use the president's phrase, new car smell. >> and you think midwest governors? >> i'm all for the midwest. thank you panel. keep that thought. see you next week. and we'll be back with a final note.